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Monday, August 23, 2010

Power Of Attorney: Not Happy Hour At The Bar: Still More Alternative Jobs for Lawyers

Power Of Attorney: Not Happy Hour At The Bar: Still More Alternative Jobs for Lawyers
Now I know that some of you are looking on the sly because you fear being perceived as ungrateful since many consider you "lucky" to be among the employed. Others of course are not so circumspect because like you they wish to find a way to earn a living outside of law. On the other hand unlike you they have probably been dumped laid off, blown off, downsized or reduced to pursuits hitherto considered embarrassing. Regardless of the reason, I aim to satisfy your urge to explore more ideas for alternative jobs for lawyers.

Alternative jobs
  • Interior Decorator: How many of you take pleasure in decorating your space? Whether its your work space, study or home office, some of you have displayed unbridled creativity as you engaged in this activity. Now come on don't express surprise at lawyer's creative talents. Who do you think devised those attractive contracts or ingenious defenses (depending on the angle from which you are looking of course)? If you think you can't make a living being creative, banish the thought as you take a look at this Censational part time attorney and this internationally renowned designer/former lawyer.
  • Educator: With the skills you learned and honed in the courtroom don't you think you could condition the minds of some lawyer wanna bees or paralegals or high schools students in a positive way? You have many options here (community college, law school, night school, high school, CLE, LSAT) although depending on your choice you may have to get certification. My son's high school teacher was a lawyer who in addition to using his expertise to impart his knowledge of ethics and philosophy to youngsters, trained the school debating team. So too was this former asst. district attorney and senior vice president at Merrill Lynch.
  • Political Scientist/Analyst: How many of you studied political science before entering law school? I bet there are quite a few. Even if you didn't, how many of you are sensitive to current events, workplace issues, work/life balance concerns etc.? Or how many of you have something else to say in this politically charged climate? While you may not want to jump on thelawyer turned politician train, you could transform that sensitivity and political awareness into a new career. Make your opinions known. Write letters to your local newspaper, guest columns for online magazines or blogs, articles in ezines or even a book. Call talk radio or make your own video blogs and let your name be known ,your voice be heard and hopefully a new job be offered.
  • Marketing Professional: Those of you who have worked in law firms (big or small) or as sole practitions know the value that is placed on soliciting new business. Marketing is key to building a law practice and while some of you might find it burdensome (you just want to do the work and go homw) others have a knack and love for it so much so they claim to only work 3 days per week. This has very broad potential you can actually have the freedom of leaving your law firm and still having a relationship with them by offering your marketing talents or you can leave completely and become a full time network marketer.
  • E-business Owner: Lots of you out there have been dreaming about having a business that you can run from home with no overheads, employees or boss to contend with. The E-business option is ideal for this. You may be racking your brains trying to figure out what kind of business you could venture in and succeed. You may have heard horror stories of trying to navigate the online world, of learning the myteries of SEO and of getting virtually no traffic. On the other hand you may already have a website or blog and haven't really treated it as a potential money earner. This could be a mistake as there are enough success stories and reputable businesses that could allow you to achieve your dream. With the right tools and attitude you can turn your hobby, your interests or even your area of specialty into a profitable and relatively stress-free work from home business.

Now with all the hours of learning to which you lawyers have subjected yourselves surely you recognize that you are among the most educable people on the planet. The above merely represents areas into which lawyers have transitioned successfully because they had the necessary drive, ambition, know how, support and will. You can do it, you already have the basic skills it is up to you to use them.

Saturday, August 21, 2010

79K patents are pending with Indian Govt.

In an information revealed in the Parliament, there are about 79,000 applications seeking grant of patents pending in front of the government. Out of this, nearly a third of the applications are from mechanical engineering and chemicals segment.
To deal with this humongous number of patent requests, the government has created 200 posts for examining the applications.
Commerce and Industry Minister Anand Sharma in his written reply to the Lok Sabha regarding the patent requests said, "As on 30th June, 78,792 patent applications are pending with the Indian Patent Office." He added that the reason for the steep number of requests pending is because there was a considerable amount of increase in the number of patent applications filed with the office after 2003-04.
"In order to dispose of the pending requests for examination, the government has created 200 new posts of Examiners of patents and designs", said Sharma.

Reader Comment :-
Here is an interesting article on Patents in India and China.
Patents : India Vs. China, Local vs. MNCs – and spineless Indian IT Companies(ritten by sinha on June 23, 2008. Topic : Indian IT industry,Plugged .In):
Here is a snapshot of Indian patent story:
In 2007, the total number of patents granted increased by 8X (since 2006) and stands at 15,262. 35,000 (21% growth) patents that were filled in 2007.
Comparison with China (third most prolific patent-filing country in the world after the United States and Japan) throws a different perspective:
· The State Intellectual Property Office of China (SIPO) received a total of 245,161 20-year patent applications in 2007 .
· SIPO received approximately the same number of 20-year applications in 1997 as the IPO (i.e. Indian Patent Office) did in 2007-08. So, as far as stats are concerned, India is approximately 10 years behind China.
Ratio of domestic to foreign filing
· In 2007, filings by domestic applicants in China accounted for 62.4 percent, the y-on-y increase in domestic 20-year patent application filing in the country was 25 %, whereas that of foreign filings was only 4.5 percent.
· In India, foreign applicants filed 80 % of the patents, and the corresponding growth in domestic application filing was only 20 percent during the same period.
SpineLessness
· No IT/ITES companies, including TCS and Infosys (with only 35 and 29 published applications respectively), feature in the Top 200 list of filers with the IPO.
· Six domestic pharmaceutical and biotech companies – Ranbaxy, Dr. Reddy’s Labs, Orchid Pharmaceuticals, Cadila Healthcare, Cipla and Sun Pharmaceuticals – appear in the Top 100 list and another three – Aurobindo Pharmaceuticals, Torrent Pharmaceuticals and Matrix Labs – appear in the next 100 list of filers with the IPO.
Evalueserve’s study suggests changes to the existing patent application process, and allow a second category of patents, known as utility model patents, which have a validity of 10 years from their filing date and which can be granted within 6 to 12 months since they are not examined substantively.
The patent growth in China is also attributed to the lower cost of patent application – the filing fee for 10-year patents is only US $70!.
What’s really concerning about dismal patent numbers in India is the lack of interest in IT sector – which is supposed to be knowledge sector (isn’t Bangalore, world’s # 2 tech hotspot?)
Do Indian IT companies give a damn to IP? I believe, it’s just a lip service (and is handled by PR and not R&D dept.) and nothing beyond that.
Dr.A.Jagadeesh Nellore (AP)

SOURCE - http://www.siliconindia.com/shownews/79K_pending_patent_applications_for_Govt-nid-70300.html?utm_campaign=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=Subscriber

Tuesday, August 3, 2010

Law and globalisation: Not entirely free, your honour | The Economist

Law and globalisation: Not entirely free, your honour | The Economist

The legal profession, like the clients it serves, is well on the way to going global—but especially in India, obstacles to its spread remain

LAW is supposed to be about universal principles: rules that apply without prejudice to a broad category of human beings, regardless of sex, culture or economic status. So in a world where barriers to the transfer of goods, expertise and people are coming down, you might expect that the legal profession would be among the first to fuse into a seamless transnational fraternity. In history, whenever cross-border commerce has flourished, as in medieval Venice, so too have trade lawyers with broad horizons, like the ones pictured above. And today, at least from the vantage-point of the ambitious practitioner, the legal profession seems to have little respect for borders.
A talented graduate from any of the world’s top law schools can expect a life of globe-trotting. A single month’s work can include writing the small print on a Saudi investment in Africa, helping an Indonesian firm to market its shares in New York, and writing a contract under English law between two companies in Russia. Humanitarian law, as well as the commercial sort, is going global: these days nobody would be surprised to see an American lobby group test the principle of “universal jurisdiction” (for egregious crimes) by trying to get an African dictator arrested on a shopping trip to Europe.
But that is not the whole story. On one hand, international lawyers are at least as ingenious as their customers when it comes to overcoming obstacles to transnational operations; on the other, lawyers have always been skilful at limiting access to their own profession, both within their own countries and globally. And when there are big barriers to professional mobility inside a country, it is less likely to open up to foreign competition.
Eyes on the prize
By global standards, the glittering prize of practising law in New York is fairly accessible to anybody with the brains (and a green card). If you come from another American state, or from another country that practises English-style common law (in which precedents set by judges are all-important), it is a matter of mugging up and passing the New York bar exam. If you come from a country that practises civil law (where a written legal code holds sway), then you must spend first spend a year getting a Master of Laws at an American university.
As this arrangement implies, there are big similarities between the precedent-based systems of law that prevail in the Anglophone world, and a wide difference between them and the civil-law tradition of continental Europe. So it might be expected that lawyers could slide easily from one English-speaking or Commonwealth country to another, while finding it harder to leave the Anglo-sphere. It is true that most global law firms are British- or American-based. But Commonwealth countries have not always offered an open environment; among the things they learned from British mentors—along with ideals like the presumption of innocence—was how to protect the profession from pesky competitors. And some non-Commonwealth countries are now surprisingly open.
In China and Brazil foreign firms have flourished by offering advice on international law, but they cannot provide legal representation in local courts. (An exception is Hong Kong, which has recently seen a spurt in foreign lawyers taking the local bar exam.) If a Chinese lawyer takes a job with a foreign law office in Beijing, he or she will temporarily forfeit the right to practise Chinese law. But a Russian lawyer who wants to work for a foreign employer faces no such disincentive.
South Korea has promised to open up its legal market to outsiders under a Free Trade Agreement with the European Union that should be ratified later this year. And in 2008 Singapore became more foreign-friendly; certain firms from other countries can practise domestic law in some areas, as long as the lawyers they use have local qualifications. Japan opened up its legal-services market in 1999, despite great nervousness from its own lawyers. Since 2005, foreign firms have been able to set up partnerships employing Japanese lawyers, who (in contrast with Singapore) need not give up their national licence.
But there is one determined outlier among fast-growing Asian economies: India, the only big country that is closed to foreign lawyers in any capacity. A powerful lobby—ranging from hundreds of thousands of small (often husband-and-wife) practices to a handful of leading partnerships—resists change. Foreigners who tried venturing into the Indian market are still reeling from a decision in December by the Bombay High Court which deemed illegal the “liaison offices” that some outsiders had opened. The Indian government said (rather half-heartedly) that it would appeal against this ruling. But the climate in which law-related work could be undertaken by outsiders has gone from difficult to prohibitive. Reena Sengupta, a London-based consultant, says she used to see foreign-owned legal-research operations in India where beds, not desks, greeted the visitor; such was the keenness to dispel the impression that law was being practised. Now those offices have simply closed.
Indians who need world-class legal advice lose out, says Stuart Popham, a senior partner in Clifford Chance, a London firm, who this week accompanied David Cameron, the British prime minister, on a tour of India. The effect is “to restrict supply and competition and raise prices…you have to fly clients out to meet lawyers elsewhere.” A lot of Indian-related work is done in the more liberal climate of Singapore. Mr Popham says he is frustrated by some Indians’ contention that firms like his own will inevitably take away local jobs. “Liberalisation does not take away anyone’s job…the evidence is that no country has ended up with a smaller domestic legal community after opening up.”
For the Law Society of England and Wales, getting the Indians to free up their market is high on the wish-list. “We want to invest in India’s potential to become a global legal player…this means new work coming to India,” insists Alison Hook, the society’s head of international activities.
But much of her target audience is, as yet, unpersuaded. “The Indian profession will rise up in arms if [foreigners] want to open offices here,” says Lalit Bhasin, head of the Society of Indian Law Firms. He accuses the British government and profession of “trying to emasculate the Indian legal community” by pressing a “one-point agenda” of liberalisation. In practice, India’s legal world is unlikely to let outsiders participate unless restrictions on the country’s own lawyers are eased. Indian firms may not advertise their services, and only the simplest websites are permitted; until recently the number of partners was capped at 20. Cyril Shroff, managing partner at Amarchand Mangaldas, India’s biggest law firm, says a more liberal regime, both internally and externally, is inevitable—but he would oppose opening the field to foreigners unless life was also made easier for locals. “The real question is how we can modernise the Indian legal market.” Ms Hook says her society agrees with the idea of India undertaking “holistic” reform, domestic as well as external.
Wading through maple syrup
Another big Commonwealth country, Canada, is less restrictive than India—but not as open as England or Australia either. It is fairly rare for lawyers to move between Canadian provinces, and a switch from Quebec to an English-speaking province involves a change of legal tradition as well as language. Meanwhile, foreign lawyers who want to practise Canadian law face two evaluations—one at federal level, the other provincial—and most fail. Between 1999 and 2009, the Federation of Law Societies received 4,515 applications from foreign advocates and issued only 1,708 certificates. Of the 1,027 English lawyers assessed, only 375 got the desired bit of paper. Paul Paton, a Canadian-born law professor, believes that governments, not lawyers, deserve the credit for opening up the profession in England and Australia—and he hopes for a similar change in Canada. English and Australian lawyers were forced to abandon the idea of self-regulation when “the public saw something wasn’t right and the government had to step in,” says Mr Paton, who now works at California’s University of the Pacific.
Canadian lawyers could benefit from a more liberal legal-services regime, he believes. Already, some Canadians find ways around the obstacles which they, like everybody, face in India. Stikeman Elliott, a Canadian firm with about 500 lawyers worldwide, trawls for contacts among the Indian diaspora in Toronto and Vancouver, and it stands ready to assist Indian investors with an eye on Canada’s resources. But it avoids giving even a whisper of advice on Indian soil.
While some countries still hesitate to enter the global contest for legal services and talent, the competition itself is changing, says John Conroy, chairman of Baker & McKenzie, an American firm which went global before anybody else. It was no longer a question of vying to help Western investors with their activities in emerging economies; the real prize in those markets was “outbound” work—for example, advising on investment by Chinese concerns in Africa and Latin America, or on rights issues for Chinese banks. (His firm’s China-based partners have recently done both.) The other change was that firms based in Asia were bidding for Anglo-Saxon talent. Chinese firms were hiring lawyers from English-speaking countries, while Japanese law firms—so risk-averse only a decade ago—were consolidating and girding themselves for international work. As Mr Conroy notes, it takes time for an institution based in the Anglophone world to be acculturated in Asia or Latin America; winning local trust is as crucial as passing exams or gaining licences. And even in countries where trust has been established, the climate can change, as Baker & McKenzie is finding in the anti-American atmosphere that now rages in Venezuela, where it has worked since the 1950s. The situation there is “really testing our mettle, and I call our Caracas partners heroes,” Mr Conroy says. Whether administrative or just cultural, barriers can go up as well as down.
Some Interesting Comments
  1. India is just reciprocating, in kind, to what Indian professionals in all walks of life, have been facing in the West, since decades. So what's your beef, Economist? 
First remove the beam in the West's professional eyes, before trying to remove the speck in the Indian legal eye.
  1. NY is very open to foreign lawyers, but Florida isn’t, so it varies state by state. Canada has provinces with different legal systems, Quebec law has real differences from that of Ontario, and so they should have different admissions procedures for lawyers. The purpose of these rules is to protect clients from malpractise. If foreign lawyers take the bar exam and fail, they shouldn’t really be admitted to practice. 
Re India- it’s Mumbai, not Bombay, and there are good local “multinational” firms. For US readers, some of what American lawyers do (incorporations) is done in India by chartered accountants, as in the UK. NY law is practical, because many financial entities worldwide are willing to use NY law for overseas transactions just as they use the US dollar. Countries which do not provide a reserve currency or reserve legal system may not be enthusiastic to follow suit.
  1. Well said. Until the white, male, middle-aged, upper-class dominated culture and demographic of law firms in the UK, US and Australia changes; those same white, upper-class male dominated firms will not be allowed to have any legal dialogue with those of a different skin colour they consciously belittle and debar from their own Gentlemen's club, even within their own firms, even within their own countries. Anglo-Saxon lawyers' eagerness to dip their greedy colonial paws into the honey pot of India (for the second time) makes for a laughable caricature, especially because of their complete lack of subtlety. When will these lawyers realise that India doesn't necessarily want its hard earned money flowing away into the already undeserved deep pockets of Anglo-Saxon common lawyers? How much value for money is truly given in the service? Not much. The price of advice simply is not worth all that money. Law firm fees are barely affordable for the Indian masses. Until those Anglo-Saxon firms curb their glut fuelled fees, they have no hope of accessing the wider global society.
  2.  Can the Economist kindly explain why India should open the door to British legal practioners when there has never been any reciprocity? While on the subject can any Westerner explain why an experienced Post Grduate Indian medical practitioner is made to undergo the ignominy of starting his western career from the bottom under westerners who are far far junior? Open up the global job market and encourage a free flow for all professions. Don't be selective. My employer just spent US$ 2 million on a short & simple arbitration matter in the UK. The opposing party spent a similar amount. What a rip-off. Let Indian professionals into all western professions so the cost structure will become more rational.
  3. This article reeks of arrant hypocrisy.As a black lawyer qualified in two jurisdictions ( including England and Wales ) I know first-hand what latent and even overt restrictions are placed in the way of 'foreign' lawyers.The Indians are right and should prohibit British lawyers from ever practicing in their jurisdiction.I am afraid to say,but discrimination,a feeling of right ( which clearly inspired this article )and a neo-colonial mentality are still rife in the U.K.Bravo to the Indians and I hope other countries follow suit.
  4. Indian legal professional qualification is acquired simply by passing law exams after two years of mostly part time study. To practice there are some requirements and these are not uniform in the ever increasing number of Indian States. Practicing to appear before a higher forum like the Supreme Court needs some additional qualifications. The Solicitors exam is not taken by most lawyers and invariably those connected with leading law firms either as children or siblings of partners after qualifying with a law degree go at it. More than opening the field to foreigners what India needs to address is about improving and standardizing the professional course and its contents. As a first attempt National law schools have opened and these aim to impart the core content of fundamentals and the application of legal principles through study and analysis of precedents. This assists students to grasp the changes in the course of legal history and better apply the principles. There are courses in drafting and pleading and these are barely adequate. Where the foreign firms steal a march is in the area of drafting contracts and agreements of a variety and range that Indians are not used to. There are utterly verbose and jargon filled boiler plates that get developed in US and UK for cut and paste use which India does not seem to have developed a taste or skill for. 
    1. I am an advocate for reciprocity in an open and fair manner.If experienced and qualified partners of Indian law firms are straight away allowed to practice and set up shop in the US and UK India could respond for an equal number here. In any event practice at court is not a serious bone of contention with the creme that corporate and financial law advisory can provide.
    2. Personally I have on behalf of my Indian employer and later a multi-national employer dealt with foreign firms in Bangkok,Hong Kong,Jakarta,Tokyo and even Hanoi.My experience with these firms never gave me the comfort about their knowledge of the local laws.I had to use local firms and over a period found competent lawyers who were well versed in New York law that was always chosen to govern the relationship among parties. In any event when the claim has to be enforced one needs the local lawyer where jurisdiction resides. It will take a very long time before India can even consider firms opening here and if ever with Indians as managing and operating partners
  5.  
    1. """India is doing just FINE, without any meddeling by greed-stricken & salivating 'foreign' gold-diggers - legal eagles or others - thank you very much!!"""
I certainly do not mean to be rude, but you do not seem to understand basic economics.
These 'greedy' businesspeople you hate so much are the same people who make the economy grow, who provide the food you eat and the computer you ramble on, and who are now bridging the gap between entirely different nations and cultures which will lead to future global peace and stability.
Why, may I ask you, has India's economy growing so quickly recently? India's growth, in a large part, has been due to 'greedy' Western software firms trying to make their products and services cheaper. In the process, they have succeeded in building a growing Indian middle class, as well has providing better services and products for the developed nations.
And since you seem to know India so well--your name indicated you are Indian--may I please ask you what alternatives to globalization you have in mind? Do you think that a socialist system would be better? And are you really saying that India cannot improve from its present state?
Globalization--simply the trading of goods and services between different countries--has been the biggest promoter of wealth and peace in the world. It has bridged such diverse countries as the USA, China, Brazil, Indian and others. I just hope that it will continue, and populist naysayers like yourself will finally realize that when people trade and interact with one another, everyone wins.
  1. Just wanted to clarify a few misconceptions:
1. In the US at least, anyone, including Indians, can practice law as long as they pass the bar. There are plenty of lawyers here who are not "Anglo-Saxon" (nevermind the number of non-"Anglo- Saxon" American lawyers). 
2. Lawyers do more than just try cases. What the article is really talking about is corporate lawyers, especially those who facilitate international transactions (and any follow-on litigation). That's entirely separate from, e.g., chasing ambulences or defending murderers. The two are actually related. One of the main reasons US and English firms are so successful in international deals is precisely because they hire non-US attorneys. This gives them an advantage in large international deals, since the parties involved are often from multiple jurisdictions. Western law firms are not looking to send "Anglo-Saxon" litigators to chase ambulances in India

9.  If the greedy western law firms charged outrageous prices, and people still paid, clearly the value must equal the service, or they wouldn't sell. Competition is to make the system more efficient, just ask the chinese factory worker who makes cheap christmas toys, he has a job due to competition, the expensive and thus inefficient US factory is ka-putz, but the US marketing firm is growing and US consumers have extra income to spend from the savings. Welcome to the twenty-first century. Can't blame everything on colonial history, and when you do, it sounds a bit childish.
10. When a multinational law firm wishes to set up shop in a new country, it would normally buy a domestic law firm or recruit domestic lawyers for its practice. This, incidentally, is only positive for the domestic legal profession. If Indian lawyers wish to hamper multinational law firms from establishing themselves in India it would seem they are shooting themselves in the foot...
The article also seems to make the assumption that 'law' is a homogenous profession. This is very far from the truth. Corporate law is highly globalised for the simple reason that business is. Other areas such as family law, administrative law and (especially) criminal law is very much a national concern and likely to remain so for the foreseeable future.
11. Foreign law firms do not just want an entry in India but they want to carry out "Unregulated operations"in India. They refuse to register themselves as law firms under the apex law council (Bar Council of India) on the claim that they do not practice the profession of law. This was the stand taken by the foreign law firms in the Bombay High Court when the Indian law firms challenged their unregulated operation. If this is allowed then there will be no control of any legal authority in the cases of professional misconduct. Nowhere in the western countries such unregulated practice of law is permitted. The objection by the Indian legal fraternity is primarily to the refusal of the foreign law firms to be regulated than their entry in India. Either by oversight or design this crux of the matter is not being highlighted. 



Interview with Asha Rangappa, Associate Dean of Yale Law School

Interview with Asha Rangappa, Associate Dean of Yale Law School

Introduction
Top-Law-Schools.com would like to thank Asha Rangappa, Associate Dean for Admissions at Yale Law School, for taking the time to answer our questions!
TLS: Since becoming Associate Dean in 2007, you have reached out to the pre-law community in a significant way. The insightful (203) Admissions Blog has been a highly transparent and vital source of information for many applicants, and your responses to specific questions from the Top Law Schools forums members show that Yale really does try to communicate with its applicants on a more personal level than most other law schools. How do you think the use of modern media has shaped Yale’s applicant pool, and have these new mediums affected Yale Law’s admissions process?
Dean Asha Rangappa: I wouldn’t say that our use of new media has changed our admissions process; I’ve tried to be very transparent about how our unique system works and that’s remained unchanged for a long time. The idea for the 203 Blog came in response to the feeling among applicants with whom I spoke that what happens on the other side of the application is a black hole. I wanted to provide a window into how we approach and review applications. The response has been overwhelmingly positive, though we occasionally get the applicant who is miffed that our blog is not more “official.” But that’s the point: by being informal, humorous, and sometimes brutally honest, I hope that students can get some information that will be more useful to them than the standard admissions spiels. I hope the blog has encouraged some people who might not have otherwise considered Yale to apply, and offered tips to applicants on things they can do (or not do) to improve their application and their odds of getting in.
TLS: Although you’ve only been working at Yale Law School since December of 2005, you’ve helped maintain Yale’s reputation as the best law school in the country (and perhaps the world). As one TLS user put it, “How is YLS striving to improve, or is it waiting for everyone else to catch up?” As Associate Dean (and gatekeeper of sorts), what future plans do you have to ensure that the school remains at the forefront of legal education? Are there any big changes in the works?
AR: There’s a lot more that goes into maintaining a law school’s edge than admissions (though that is one part of it). We have a number of faculty and administrators who are constantly reviewing our curriculum, hiring faculty, and adding new programs. My part in the big picture is to make sure that we consistently admit the most diverse, interesting, and talented class possible, and that’s what I hope to keep doing.
Admissions
TLS: Yale Law School is known for the truly comprehensive nature of its admissions process; thus, by virtue of being less formulaic, this process generates a lot of speculation! What are some of the biggest misconceptions about the YLS Admissions process?
AR: The biggest misconception is that we base our admission on numbers alone. I am amazed that this misconception persists, given that there are sites like LSN that show that we do turn down people with 180 LSATs and 4.0 GPAs and take people with lower tests scores and GPAs instead. Hmmm. Why would this be the case? Well, because we read the applications! We have too few spots to just bring in the people who happened to score well on exams and standardized tests. We use these numbers to be confident in an applicant’s academic potential – we don’t want to bring someone here who can’t handle the work and will struggle – but beyond that we want people who are interesting, multi-faceted, intellectually curious, and will be great lawyers and representatives of YLS. Numbers don’t tell you about these things.
TLS: How important is the difficulty or prestige of one’s undergraduate institution in the admissions process?
AR: We do take into account the difficulty and academic rigor of a student’s undergraduate curriculum. Some schools – for example, the U.S. service academies – are notoriously difficult and have strenuous physical requirements alongside the academic ones. A student whom we admit from such a school might have a lower absolute GPA than someone I admit from another school that might be less difficult academically. We have to look at a student’s performance in context. We also value institutional diversity, and like to bring in students from a variety of undergraduate schools. So, if you look at our website, we have students from Scripps College, Bob Jones University, and the University of Pittburgh, for example, in addition to the “typical” schools you might expect, like Harvard, UVA, and Berkeley.
TLS: Similarly, to what degree is the difficulty of an applicant’s major taken into account? YLS has the highest undergraduate GPA standards in the country – would an applicant be given a bit of leeway if they majored in something like electrical engineering or physics?
AR: We do take the major into account, but even so, it’s important to remember that within a certain major, say Physics, there are going to be a lot of applicants who also have high GPAs. So while it’s something I will consider, I wouldn’t say that students from hard sciences get a “pass” on the GPA while humanities majors don’t. But I am aware that students who major in the hard sciences are less likely to have boosted their GPA with gut (easy) courses than students who have majored in liberal arts.
TLS: How much of a role does work experience play in a student’s admission? Are applicants who come straight from undergrad slightly disadvantaged in the application process?
AR: There is no direct way that students are disadvantaged coming from undergrad (as in, I don’t hold it against them). However, it does seem to me that on average, students who have spent some time out of school tend to have greater self-awareness and life perspective than someone who has remained in the bubble of school their whole life. So, often these students tend to have more mature, sophisticated personal statements that can give them an advantage in the admissions process. Of course, it all comes down to the individual student, so you can’t generalize, and we do take a significant portion of our class straight from undergrad.
TLS: How are graduate degrees treated in the YLS admissions process? Is there anything in particular that you look for when interpreting graduate degrees (publications, good grades, etc.)? Do unfinished graduate degrees signify a potential lack of commitment?
AR: Graduate degrees just give me more information on a student’s academic potential. For example, if I have an applicant from a school I don’t know much about – and therefore I’m not sure how challenging the curriculum is – a great graduate record can help me be more confident that that student can handle YLS-level work. Conversely, a student who does really well in undergrad but has an average graduate record might make me wonder whether this person kind of coasted on easy classes as an undergrad and may not be prepared for more abstract thinking and discussion.
As for unfinished degrees, yes, they can be a red flag, and it’s something that applicants should address in their personal statement or an addendum. Generally, I am less skeptical of someone who leaves a graduate program within a year – I can see how you might think it’s what you want to do as an undergrad and then you get there, and it’s not what you expected – because that kind of person strikes me as someone who is more in tune with what they want (or don’t want) and can recognize it quickly. I am more wary of students who go through several years of a grad program, then decide to switch gears…I wonder if the person is kind of lost about what to do and is going to law school as a way out.
TLS: Many TLS readers are interested in the transfer process at Yale. While there is obviously no "typical" profile of an ideal Yale transfer applicant, what are some tendencies that a successful transfer applicant is likely to possess?
AR: Our transfer process is much more straightforward than our regular admissions process in that it is centralized and focuses heavily on first year grades and law school recommendations. Generally, transfer applicants to whom we offer admission are in the top 1-10% of their law school class and have very strong, detailed recommendations from their first year professors.
TLS: How significant is it that a transfer applicant would have initially been a “competitive” Yale applicant at a 0L? Does Yale accept transfer applicants who wouldn’t have otherwise been “in the running” originally?
AR: Generally, the competitiveness of a transfer applicant as a 0L is not a big factor in transfer admissions. This is primarily true for the LSAT: a low LSAT score may have disadvantaged an applicant as a 0L. But since the LSAT is a predictor of law school grades, and in the case of transfer we have the actual grades, we don’t need to rely on the LSAT as a proxy. We definitely admit students as transfers who would not have been in the most competitive subset as 0Ls.
TLS: For better or worse, the U.S. News rankings have a significant effect on students’ perceptions of different law schools. Are these rankings even on your radar, considering Yale’s utter domination of all other schools regardless of the metrics employed by any given ranking system? (Well, almost any rankings system…)
AR: No. It’s nice when anyone says we’re #1, but we don’t try to manipulate the admissions system to accord with some magazine’s formula. We just admit the best students in our applicant pool each year, and then let the chips fall where they may.
TLS: I know many applicants would love if you could share some light on the infamous 250 word essay. Are there any topics that applicants should avoid? How do you suggest students approach the brainstorming process?
AR:”Most students really do well on the 250 word essay. I have some tips on my blog on this topic, but I would just emphasize here that please, for the love of God, do not write poetry for your 250. Or for any other part of your application, for that matter. Really. Don’t.
Academics
TLS: Yale Law School is known for its incredibly low student-to-professor ratio. How do you think small classes help students develop intellectually and prepare for life after law school?
AR: Well, small classes foster more (and deeper) dialogue, which I think helps students master a subject better. Students in smaller classes get more one-on-one interaction with professors, which in addition to helping them refine their ideas, gives them an opportunity to have very personalized references. All of these things benefit students in their professional careers.
TLS: Why might a student pursue a joint degree at YLS? Applicants have often been warned that obtaining a joint degree can actually diminish job prospects, as it gives the student a specialization that might turn off prospective employers. Do you think this is true?
AR: Hmm. I’m not aware that a joint degree can diminish job prospects, unless you’re talking about someone who takes several years after law school to finish a dissertation or something – that might be a turn off to law firms, who really want to take students coming out of school. But usually people who write dissertations end up in law teaching anyway. So no, I don’t think a joint degree can harm a student, at least I haven’t seen this happening at Yale.
But I do think that students increasingly want to do joint degrees, and sometimes I question why they are doing them. Certain degrees make sense to me – a joint JD/MBA, for example. Others – like a joint JD/PhD in Math – make less sense to me. It’s important for students to realize that you don’t need to accumulate degrees on your resume. Doing so without a real purpose can be very costly both in terms of time and money (and can make you look unfocused). Especially at a place like Yale, where you have tremendous flexibility to take courses at any school or department in the University, and thereby get a truly interdisciplinary education, joint degrees may not even be necessary. Your J.D. will go a long way on its own.
TLS: Yale Law School has nine different journals (according to this page). How do you think the school’s journals help shape the academic life on campus? Do students find that working on one of the journals is a big part of the “Yale experience”? How difficult is it for a student to become a member of the Yale Law Journal or any of the other journals?
AR: The journals are one part, but not the defining part, of the academic life at the Law School. For students interested in academia, or in what goes into publishing legal scholarship, they are great. Except for the Yale Law Journal, all of our journals are non-selective so students can just walk on. But a lot of students aren’t interested in academia and legal scholarship, so there are tons of other ways to explore academic interests, like reading groups, student organizations, and the Law School’s centers and programs.
TLS: Is the Yale Law Journal significantly harder to get accepted to than the other journals on campus? How often do transfer applicants make it onto the Law Journal?
AR: The Yale Law Journal is the only selective Journal we have. Since Yale doesn’t have grades, it is not a “grade on” system. Basically rising second year students take a blind-graded Bluebook (editing) exam, and then submit a writing exercise. Approximately 60 students a year are selected for the Journal.
Keep in mind that since membership on the Journal is not linked to grades or class rank, it does not have the same significance as it does at other law schools. Many students self-select out of trying out for the Journal, either because they’re not interested or because they’re more interested in a specific subject matter covered in one of the other journals (the YLJ is general, so it covers a lot of area of law, while the other journals are focused on a particular subject, like Human Rights or Law and Technology). Students who elect not to be on the Yale Law Journal, or any law journal, can still get great jobs and clerkships. So Yale really allows students to think about whether they want to work on a journal, rather than implicitly forcing students to follow a rigid path.
TLS: Some critics claim (and thus, some applicants wonder) that Yale’s curriculum may be too theoretical and doesn’t have enough “hands-on” practical teaching. What would you say to these claims? Are these critics just jealous?
I’ve addressed this in my blog, but I’ll just reiterate that we have the greatest access to clinics – which offer the most practical experience you can get – of any law school. This is because we open our clinics to 1Ls, and they can appear in court in their first year as well. So it is not unusual for a student to have had real courtroom experience by the end of their first year, which is not typical anywhere else. About 80% of our students participate in a clinic before they graduate, so the majority of Yale graduates have worked on real legal cases (as in drafting motions and briefs and arguing them themselves, not writing memos for other attorneys) in some capacity by the time they graduate, which again is pretty atypical.
I don’t think critics are jealous, just that they are misinformed. Keep in mind that this model is so different from most law schools that it’s hard to wrap your mind around it if you didn’t actually experience it yourself. I mean, we had two second year students brief and argue a case before the Connecticut State Supreme Court – and last spring the decision came down and they won. These students have changed the constitutional meaning of the state right to education, which will significantly impact children all across the state. This kind of student-led litigation just doesn’t happen at most law schools.
Critics may also be misled by a red herring, which is Yale’s representation in legal academia. Yale graduates are disproportionately represented on law school faculties, particularly at the top schools. So people conclude that all we do is churn out law professors. We are very proud of our tradition of producing legal academics, but you have to look at this achievement in context. Roughly 13% of each graduating class is in academia five years after graduation. That is a lot more than any other law school. But, that still leaves over 80% who are practicing “real” law. The overwhelming majority of Yale Law School graduates are practicing attorneys, usually at top law firms, federal government agencies, and major non-profit organizations. So the idea that Yale doesn’t teach students to practice is just flat-out wrong.
Student Life at Yale
TLS: Although New Haven isn’t a huge city by any means, it seems to have a great selection of different restaurants and activities for students. Do you think students are generally satisfied with the night life and general social atmosphere at Yale? Do students ever complain about being bored? Do they even have time to be bored?
AR: I think students are generally happy in New Haven. There are a lot of social outlets, including restaurants, theater, and bars. Most students don’t complain about being bored because usually they are very involved with law school-related activities.
TLS: What are some of the more popular student organizations on campus? Do students generally find time to join one or two clubs during their first year at YLS?
AR: I really can’t name one or two clubs that are most popular – the great thing about Yale is that students are really free to explore their own interests, so you won’t find any two law students doing the same mix of things. It really depends on the student. I would say that most students do join at least one or two student organizations during their first year.
TLS: What would you say students enjoy most about being at Yale? Conversely, what are some of the more common complaints from YLS students?
AR: The refrain heard most from YLS students is that they love their classmates. Students here become very close to one another, especially within a class, and really rely on their classmates for academic, social, and professional support. These bonds really stay with you forever – I am approaching my tenth reunion for my law school class, and I feel as connected to my classmates now as I did then, and we still help each other out whenever we can.
I don’t know if there are any major complaints from students. Sometimes students want a particular subject-area gap to be filled, which is harder at a school like Yale because we have a much smaller faculty than most schools. Fortunately, our independent writing requirements, student-led reading groups, and opportunities to take classes elsewhere in the University help to compensate for any gaps that do exist.
TLS: For that matter, what would be your chief criticism of Yale Law, and what is being done to address this concern?
AR: I honestly don’t have any criticisms. Sure, we can always improve in some areas, just as any law school, and we are always striving to do so. But overall, I don’t think you can get a better law school experience than at Yale. As an alumna, I only have regrets about courses or clinics I didn’t take when I was a student (usually because they weren’t available when I was here). I really envy the opportunities available to the incoming students nowadays.
TLS: What advice can you share about keeping a good work / life balance in law school and in the legal profession? And on a more personal note – how did you enjoy your time in the F.B.I.? Would you recommend the agency as a career path for upcoming J.D.’s?
AR: My advice to staying balanced in law school is to constantly reflect on what it is that you want to do. Don’t conform for the sake of conforming – whether it’s your choice of summer job, the decision to do a journal or clerk, or what you do after graduation. If you go off the beaten path, people may react poorly but that’s because the legal profession is one where often people are looking for others to validate their own choices. When you follow your heart, and do something different, your peers may find it threatening.
I went off the beaten path by joining the FBI. I will say that not a single one of my Yale Law School classmates blinked an eye or offered anything less than their full support. Yale is unique because the level of intellectual freedom it offers means that there really is no set path for people to follow, so no one feels threatened when you choose to do your own thing. This is atypical, though, of most law schools, and if you’re not careful, you may end up doing something you really don’t love to do. And that can lead to a lot of unhappiness.
Employment
TLS: If any school is in the position to weather the recent economic downturn, it’s Yale. How are job prospects looking for current students? Was there a noticeable decrease in employment opportunities; if so, what is the school doing to address these shifts in the job market? Can second year students still generally find law firm employment via OCI?
AR: We are fortunate that while the economic climate affected Yale students, it did so to a much lesser degree than at other schools. So, instead of having eight law firm summer offers, students might have had to choose from three. We’re lucky that even as they slim down, employers are very eager to hire Yale students. Further, since we are small and (as I noted above) students follow unique paths, they usually aren’t competing against each other for the same job opportunities. This means that generally speaking, if there’s an opportunity available, Yale students are in a very good position to get it.
TLS: Are there any particular types of job that YLS students tend to gravitate towards during their 1L and 2L summers?
AR: Most 1L students (about 80%) take advantage of our generous Summer Public Interest Fellowships (SPIF) and work in public interest jobs – generally federal government and nonprofits – for their summer job.
The same percentage of 2L students will go through OCI their second summer and work at one or two law firms. However, a small number of 2L students will get SPIF funding to work in a public interest job again.
TLS: Do you think transfer students are disadvantaged at all when it comes time to find employment? How about those with lofty goals of academia or competitive clerkships – will a year at a previous institution serve as a blemish on their resume?
AR: I don’t think transfer students fare any differently than regular Yale students in finding jobs. Since we take people who performed extremely well at their 1L law schools, they usually have a bunch of distinctions from that law school on their resume, which only boosts their application. Former transfer students include attorney David Boies – who argued Bush v. Gore and has a very high-profile practice in D.C. – and current Yale Law professor Claire Priest, so I think transfer students at Yale can confidently set and meet very high goals for themselves.
TLS: Yale Law School is famous for producing academics; according to data compiled by Larry Solum and Brian Leiter, the school has a much higher placement rate than even Harvard and Stanford. Why do you think Yale is so excellent at creating law professors?
AR: For one thing, we have a very low student-faculty ratio, about 7-1. That means that students interact with faculty one-on-one on a regular basis. This facilitates the exchange of ideas, and also gives students the opportunity to see the life and mind of a law teacher up close…which might give them insight into a career option they never considered before.
Second, we have two significant writing requirements, each of which is done with close supervision of a faculty member. Again, this allows for a student to refine his or her idea and produce a substantial piece of legal scholarship before s/he graduates. Many students publish their work in a legal journal by graduation as well. This gives them a practical insight into what would go into becoming a law teacher and also a leg up in the actual job market, since having published work is essential on this track.
Finally, we offer tons of support to students interested in law teaching. From our Law Teaching Series for current law students to our Moot Camp for students entering or already on the job market, Yale really takes a proactive role in helping to place students in academia. That’s why we not only place more students overall (percentage-wise), but we place them in mostly top law schools.
Parting Words
TLS: Dean Rangappa, thank you for taking the time to answer a few questions about Yale Law School. Do you have any parting words of wisdom for applicants next cycle?
AR: Relax! The law school admissions process is extremely stressful, but while it seems huge, there are also more important things in life. Most applicants I see are students who, even if they don’t get into Yale, will get into very fine law schools. Stay confident in this fact, and take the time to enjoy what you are doing now – whether it is savoring the last year of college (trust me, a decade from now you will give anything to be able to have just one day of it back) or getting everything you can out of the job you are working in before you enter the fast-paced world of law school. Everything will work out fine in the end